Unusual WW2 finds – Part 3

Two down in this mini series, three more to go.

As I’ve said in previous posts, context is important when trying to identify relics as they emerge from the ground. Not only is this down to the age of the relics you find at certain depths, but also what weapon they are from, as they give you a basis on which to start trying to identify items.

Take for example this lovely trigger mechanism…..

Besa mg trigger mechanism

A big old lump, this was readily identifiable as the trigger from a Besa MG. The wooden pistol grip is missing, (long since rotted away), but the double finger pull trigger was a dead give away.

In the same hole, these little items kept appearing…..


Certainly too flimsy to be a weapon part, but it was reasonable to think these too were from a Besa. But what exactly?

Well, during use inside British tanks, the one thing you don’t want is the floor awash with spent 7.92mm cartridge cases. So, the crews were all issued with case catcher bags.

Besa case catcher bag

the bracket on the right hand side……there it is! Those little metal items were from a Besa case catcher bag!

Not only that, but in among these parts was a combination tool……

Besa mg combination tool

…..which was again attributed to the Besa. To be precise, a Besa combination tool, (doh!).

Another trigger mechanism recovered from this site also helped identify a similar kind of relic.

There isn’t much left of this pistol grip and trigger, but enough to identify it.

Lewis MG pistol grip and trigger

This one is from a Lewis MG


This diagram shows a slightly different version of the pistol grip, but there are enough similarities to tie it down positively to a Lewis mg.

And with this pistol grip were a lot of these strange hinged brackets.


Was there such a thing as a Lewis case catcher bag? And if there was, was this bracket from one of them?

Well, there was, and they were!

Lewis mg case catcher bag

So, this just goes to show that having a knowledge of what the site has yielded in the past, helps identify future finds.

However, sometimes context doesn’t help at all.

To finish this thread are these very well made brass frames.


As you can see, all of them have ‘P14’ stamped on them, and some even had the remains of a threaded steel bolt and brass wingnut. They were obviously made to clamp onto something, and the ‘P14’ indicated the rifle of the same name. But what were they used for?

The Lee-Enfield rifle had a grenade discharger cup that fitted onto the end of the No 1 rifle and enabled the launching of a grenade a considerable distance. The P14 rifle didn’t have such an adaptor but the British army obviously wanted to use the rifle to launch grenades. So instead of developing a whole new discharger cup, they developed this little frame to fit over the barrel of a P14 rifle to enable a Lee-Enfield grenade discharger cup to be attached to it!

p14 discharger cup pic



Part 4 in this series to follow soon…..

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s